PhD graduates struggle to enter industry roles
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Recent PhD graduates are being excluded from entry-level industry positions, hindering their career progression and talent utilization.
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Recently graduated in europe, I wanted to pivot into industry, but right now for the few companies that are recruiting PhD, they are looking for mid level PhD, no entry level PhDs. I've been applying for several months now and nothing is coming out of it.
So I was thinking maybe I could go for RA position in industry to learn more on a specific tech and be more efficient at my job, I don't care being paid less, I want to learn and grow and be helpful. However, when you look at the job desc, they are straight up stating "PhD level candidates won't be considered"
Now, I understand that everyone should have a shot for a given position and higher levels shouldn't be stealing lower level jobs. But in this current times, how are PhD supposed to grow in their "right" level of they can't enter a company ? Should we strip our PhD title entirely ?
Sorry it's a bit of a vent but I'm at loss right now, I don't know how to effectively pivot into industry with no prior network (I'm trying to network via LinkedIn, but nothing major has come up)
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- 83·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
The reason is simply that the recruiter feels a PhD will get bored in the position that's going to focus mostly on performing stuff in the lab as it reads in the protocol. RA positions are not there to teach basic lab skills to a fresh PhD who will then leave for a scientist job as soon as one opens up somewhere internally or externally. The ideal RA candidate in most cases is someone who has no significant ambitions on advancing into scientist roles. Sometimes you can purposefully recruit people with that goal in mind but probably not in most cases. It's a product of the economic situation w…
permalink ↗ - 50·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
yeah i literally removed phd from my cv for some ra roles and suddenly got callbacks this years job hunt is actually miserable lol actually companies hide behind keyword filters, ignoring people. i only got calls after i used a tool to reword resumes for every job post. i’m talking about Jobowl, google it
permalink ↗ - 28·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
It’s a really bad market and it feels like damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Companies don’t want to hire PhDs for non-PhD jobs since they’re worried they’ll leave once things stabilize/they find another position on the side. Meanwhile they’re not hiring fresh PhDs since PhDs with experience are also all on the job hunt right now. It’s flat out bad luck, bad timing, and none of it is your fault. Unfortunately all you can do is keep applying, broaden your search areas (ie geographically), and take gig jobs on the side to pay rent. I walked dogs and cat sat via Rover, and drove for DoorDa…
permalink ↗ - 28·Reddit commenter·1mo ago·reply
>The reason is simply that the recruiter feels a PhD will get bored in the position that's going to focus mostly on performing stuff in the lab as it reads in the protocol Probably more that they will expect a quick promotion due to their qualifications or they will begin immediately looking for another job
permalink ↗ - 15·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
In addition to “PhDs will get bored”, the other arguments often used are “we have a salary band for this position that is below our band for PhD positions” and “the person taking this job cannot outrank their manager in education or experience”
permalink ↗ - 13·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
If you are in Europe, the technician/RA positions literally cannot hire PhD as you will not paid according to your qualification. Normally, this is designed to protect you but unfortunately it is working against you.
permalink ↗ - 11·Reddit commenter·1mo ago·reply
I wish I had this type of network, but idk of it's a culture thing, in france we don't really have a "cohort". Likewise my old academic lab had 30 members, most of them still in the academia, the PhD members went for postdocs, no one can really vouch for me out there... The fact that we have 3-4y PhD also doesn't help with networking. Especially in a field where it's frowned upon to talk about industry during your phd
permalink ↗ - 11·Reddit commenter·1mo ago·reply
I mean, PhD or not, we know RA are willing to grow and do have ambition. I know plenty of masters that went into RA job to then pivot into team management. I know bsc are not swimming in jobs either, but most jobs on LinkedIn are either targeted for Bsc/masters or for senior level PhDs. No in between.
permalink ↗ - 8·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
On the one hand, you've lost out on this job opportunity. On the other hand, if they have to specify "non-PhD," there probably isnt much opportunity for advancement.
permalink ↗ - 7·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
I will never hire a phd for a non- phd role. It just doesn't work - the person getting the phd will have expectations that dont align with what the role will be. It will cause bad blood on the phd side of things - they will often report to a person with a phd or sometimes without and that alone causes issues. Salary is also below expectations too. And then with all of that, we know the person will move on as soon as they get an opportunity to do actual phd level work. Which is fair enough but why would I hire them vs the BS/MS students who are more likely to stick around and have the right m…
permalink ↗ - 7·Reddit commenter·1mo ago·reply
Problem here is science PhDs get discounted for not having specific __ experience (prior sales exp, clinical research exp, some other niche skill). Entry level feels nonexistent
permalink ↗ - 6·Reddit commenter·1mo ago
Yep. But take heart that there are a lot of positions masters holders won’t be considered for either
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